By “direct feeling” we mean that there are more points of contact with us as individuals, since we do almost everything ourselves. Beyond the music – its production and the lyrics – this includes all the other tasks that go into the finished product: artwork, photos, manufacturing, distribution, and so on. In most cases, we’ve held every single record or CD in our hands multiple times, and in the end we’re the ones packing your order. We believe that all of this resonates in a kind of magical way. In a pop production, the credited artist is often just the performer, surrounded by a team, and therefore represents only a fraction of the creative and non-creative process that our work embodies. In a sense, the connection we’re describing would disappear if the physical medium were to die out. Certainly, the real power lies in the music itself – but so far, our aura seems to extend beyond that.
Your practice has been built around sounds that cannot be reproduced. Modular patches that exist once, analogue errors integrated into the signal. That was an aesthetic positioning. Now, as AI floods music production with its perfect replications, your decision to create with organic technological textures is a form of resistance. Do you feel that shift? And has it changed anything about the work when a private creative decision becomes a public stance?
Today, a form of resistance can certainly be read into it – but our sound has been the way it is for a long time, so it cannot really be understood as an active stance against AI-generated music. At the moment, we don’t feel this shift very strongly within our small cosmos. First, on a personal level, we can’t even use modern AI tools on our older audio system. Second, in terms of our environment, we operate in a space outside the usual norms of the music industry, where purely digital consumption is uncommon and a culture of collecting physical formats has developed over many, many years. That creates a certain distance – at least for now.
No, so far our work hasn’t changed, at least not in connection with any kind of public stance. In fact, your question is what makes us reflect on whether our approach and preferences in music production might actually be an advantage today. In any case, we should probably stay our course.
You have described the wall between Haus Arafna and November Növelet as dissolving over time. A natural development you didn’t foresee. Those two projects are a division of selves, the hard and the soft; the roots of industrial and wave. As these projects merge, what merges with them, and is there anything about the other person you understand now that you did not when the projects began?
The projects aren’t merging – if they were, there would be a new one with a new name. The boundary between Haus Arafna and November Növelet hasn’t dissolved; it has simply become less clearly defined than it once was, or than we initially intended. The presence of “softness” in Haus Arafna, for example, wasn’t originally part of the plan – but it’s also a different kind of softness than the one in November Növelet. Our musical reference points – wave and industrial – have certainly flowed into both projects, though in different ways and with different emphases. When we started making music, we hadn’t known each other for very long. Of course, by now we understand much more about one another. But at the beginning, there wasn’t much that needed to be understood. The time was relatively unburdened, especially in relation to the music. It was direct, intuitive, and driven more by enthusiasm than by reflection.
You make work about the impossibility of being fully known. We constantly evolve and shift internally, our inner worlds are private and change too quickly for anyone to keep up with. After thirty years, making this work with one another, do you feel you know each other more than anyone else? Does that produce a specific kind of friction in the work? Or, does the knowledge in its totality no longer register?
Yes, we know each other better than anyone else – of course, that’s also because we’re together in our private lives. The better we know each other, the less friction there is. Today, we’re more aware of each other’s vulnerabilities and wounds, which makes certain strange reactions or behaviors easier to understand. On top of that, the different areas of our work are clearly divided, which also has a positive effect and helps to prevent conflict.