You’ve never struck me as the kind of DJ who needs to play the role of a pop star or position himself as the centre of attention. Yet over the years, that image of the performer has inevitably shaped audiences too, sometimes turning the dancefloor into more of a spectacle than a shared experience. Basilar Festival is known for its conscious, passionate and respectful crowd. As you prepare for your debut there, what are you expecting from that kind of audience? And does the shyness you’ve spoken about in the past ever stay with you once you’re behind the decks?
I’m definitely not a pop star, haha.
I’ve always been quite introverted, and behind the decks I can disappear completely into what I’m doing. I’m not the typical hands-in-the-air DJ. For me the attention should ultimately be on the music and on what is happening between the DJ and the dancefloor.
The shyness doesn’t completely disappear. It’s part of who I am. But once I’m concentrated on the music, I’m in a different state. Then I’m communicating through records rather than talking.
I have heard a lot about Basilar and I am excited to debut there this year. What I appreciate about crowds like Basilar is openness. I like to take people somewhere and sometimes push beyond what they expected from me. A crowd that listens and allows that journey gives you much more freedom. For me that’s what a dancefloor should be: not an audience watching a performer, but everybody contributing to the same experience.
For you, Detroit has never been just another city. It’s where your musical journey truly began, where your sound evolved and where much of your artistic identity was shaped. Yet it was Berlin’s techno culture, not Detroit’s, that was officially recognised by the German Commission for UNESCO as Intangible Cultural Heritage. While the two stories are obviously different, do you feel Detroit deserves a similar level of recognition for the role it has played in the history of techno? If you were introducing these two cities to an aspiring DJ or someone discovering the genre for the first time, how would you describe their differences and their cultural impact?
Detroit absolutely deserves recognition. Without Detroit, techno as we understand it simply wouldn’t have the same history.
For me Detroit was a revelation because I recognised something in it from the music I already loved. I grew up with synth-based disco, funk and R&B, and then I heard this futuristic electronic music coming from Detroit with these deep strings and harmonies. It was technical and soulful at the same time.
People sometimes reduce Detroit techno to hard or fast music, but if you listen to Derrick May, Carl Craig, Kenny Larkin, Juan Atkins and so much of the classic material, there is enormous depth and beauty there.
Berlin’s importance is different. Berlin created an extraordinary culture around techno as a physical and social experience — the clubs, the long sets, the spaces, the freedom around it. It became one of the places where techno could develop continuously for decades. So I wouldn’t put one against the other. Detroit helped create the language. Berlin built one of the world’s most important environments in which that language could keep evolving.
And Amsterdam was somewhere in between all these influences. We were absorbing records from Detroit, Chicago, Belgium, Germany, France. That’s part of why our own scene developed the way it did.
You’re represented by AD Sound for both booking and management. One of the advantages of having an agency is the clear division of responsibilities: you can focus on the creative side while they handle touring and logistics. But relationships like these only work when they’re built on trust. In your experience, what makes the relationship between an artist and their agency truly strong and long-lasting? And have you ever had negative experiences with third parties that ended up affecting your career?
Trust is everything.
I’ve been working with Manuela and AD Sound for 23 years, so obviously that relationship goes much further than somebody sending offers and booking flights. She is my booking agent, manager and family. When you work together for that long, the people around you understand who you are, what makes sense for you and sometimes also when you should say no.
That’s very important because I’m not naturally interested in the business side. I want to make music and play music. Having people around me who can deal with the rest while still understanding the artistic direction gives me space in my head to do that.
For me a good agency shouldn’t just try to maximise the number of gigs. It should think about the artist’s career over a longer period. Sometimes the right decision is not the biggest offer.
Of course I’ve had situations over the years where third parties didn’t work in the artist’s best interest. If you’ve been in this industry for more than thirty years, it would be almost impossible not to. But I don’t like spending too much energy looking backwards at negative experiences. You learn who you trust, you learn to communicate more clearly, and you move on.
Between the tour, the Bandcamp rollout, a track for the Blitz Munich compilation, and more still lined up for early next year on Vault Sessions, this is, by output alone, one of the busiest years of your career, forty-five years in. Is that volume a product of finally having the time and independence to say yes to things, or is there a version of you that worries about diluting a catalogue you’ve spent decades keeping tight?
It’s funny because it looks much more planned from the outside than it actually was.
A lot of the music that is appearing now has been sitting with me for quite a while. Some of it comes from the pandemic period, when I had much more studio time, and then it takes time to finish things, find the right label, organise releases and so on. Suddenly several things arrive close together and it looks like I’ve become extremely productive overnight.
There are still several albums waiting to be finished, so there is definitely no shortage of music. I do think about quality, though. I don’t want to release something simply because I can. I’ve never been very good at that. Sometimes maybe I’m too critical and things stay with me for much too long.
But I don’t think releasing more automatically dilutes a catalogue. If the music represents something real and I still stand behind it, why should it stay on my hard drive? Maybe at this point I’m simply getting a little better at letting things go.
One of the greatest challenges for artists today is finding the right balance between their professional and personal lives. Studio sessions, international tours, interviews and industry commitments often leave very little room for rest, wellbeing or simply enjoying everyday life. Looking back on your long career, what have been the biggest changes in that respect? What have you gained, what have you had to sacrifice, and have you learned to listen to your body when it tells you it’s time to slow down?
Touring is probably the part people understand least from the outside. They see the two hours you’re playing, but not the airports, waiting, lack of sleep and constant changing of rhythm around it.
When you’re younger you don’t think about that very much. You just go. Your body recovers and you assume it always will.
As you get older you become more aware that energy isn’t unlimited. I still love travelling and playing — otherwise I wouldn’t be doing this after all these years — but I also value being at home much more. I need quiet. I need time in the studio without pressure. I need nature and space away from music as well.
What did I sacrifice? Probably a certain amount of normality. Weekends don’t exist in the same way when you’ve spent your whole adult life working while everybody else is free. Relationships and friendships have to adapt to you constantly being somewhere else.
But I’ve also been incredibly fortunate to spend my life doing the thing that fascinated me when I was a kid. I don’t take that for granted.
And yes, I’ve become better at listening to my body. Not perfect, haha, but better. Manuela has helped me a lot in that sense, guarding my schedule and thinking of my sleep and health. Longevity isn’t only about remaining musically relevant. You also have to remain healthy enough to enjoy it.