The Son Of Northern Darkness

Nico Vascellari / Art Cover Story

Navigating the immaterial space of “trust and friction” that the underground represents, Nico Vascellari is a prismatic figure in the arts, defined by urgencies rather than by a medium of election. Between prison letters, visceral sounds, and memories of his own land, in this interview we dissect his unpredictable practice.

The first time we met was during Banks Violette’s exhibition in Antwerp, and we ended up speaking about your rather peculiar collection, especially the correspondence of GG Allin. Have you recently acquired something new you are obsessing over? And more importantly, how does this act of collecting, which implies archiving, possessing, studying, concretely feed your artistic process?

Apart from some LPs and books, I think the most recent things I’ve acquired for my archive are a drawing by Francis Picabia and a drawing by Banks. I don’t collect in order to complete something. I collect to remain incomplete. I started acquiring GG Allin’s materials while preparing a performance based on one of his lectures and a theatre piece by Klaus Kinski. I wanted to get to know him while also taking distance from his mythology. Handwriting seemed like a possible way to approach this. Recently, I’ve been drawn to vernacular objects, things that were never meant to survive: amateur recordings, rural devotional artefacts, fragments of local memory. Collecting is a form of listening. It is not possession but proximity. By archiving, I create a private archaeology of tensions, political, emotional, and spiritual. These materials sediment within me. They are rarely quoted directly; instead, they alter the temperature of the work. They become a pressure beneath the surface.

Just like GG Allin or Coum Transmissions, your body has frequently functioned as both medium and detonator across performance, sculpture, installation and music. How do you decide when your physical presence is necessary and when it must disappear behind the work?

The body is a threshold. There are moments when my physical presence is necessary because the work demands risk, breath, unpredictability, and, above all, authenticity and vulnerability. In performance, the body carries a voltage that cannot be delegated. There are other works in which my disappearance is crucial. In those cases, the body dissolves into matter: soil, sound, architecture. I would say I decide instinctively at first, and then I question my own intuition. If the work can survive without me, it should. If it needs to pass through me, then I accept the exposure.

Underground is first of all a form of resistance. A lifelong commitment to a cause. No surrender. It also means building the conditions in which something uncompromised can grow.

Remaining in the domain of multidisciplinarity, you are also part of a band, a fact that is perhaps little known in the main art circles. LAVASCAR is a project shared with Michèle Lamy and her daughter Scarlet Rouge. After quite some time of inactivity, are you planning to bring this vision together again? In what way has this experience further amplified your relationship with body and sound?

LAVASCAR was born from a shared urgency rather than a strategy. The project was initially meant to be a single recording session. During that session, we explored sound in a very raw, primordial way. We then decided to try performing live, and so we gave a few concerts at Triennale Milano, Centre Pompidou, MAXXI, and Art Basel, eventually recording a second album in London. There was never a plan, and there isn’t one now.

The word “underground” has often been associated with you, from your early musical project With Love to your independent space Codalunga in Vittorio Veneto. If underground means finding a place to inhabit away from the status quo, how are you building that immaterial place? What priorities traverse your mind when shaping it through your work?

“Underground” is first of all a form of resistance. A lifelong commitment to a cause. No surrender. It also means building the conditions in which something uncompromised can grow. With Ninos Du Brasil and with Codalunga, the intention was the same: to create a zone of intensity outside institutional timing. This immaterial place I try to build is made of trust and friction. It is a space where experimentation is not decorative but necessary. My priorities are independence, slowness, and the possibility of failure. Without these, the work becomes polite and entertaining.

On this topic, working from the province rather than a metropolitan centre is not neutral. How does producing from Vittorio Veneto affect the rhythm, scale and autonomy of your projects? Is distance from the main art epicentres a way to maintain independence in terms of voice and affiliations?

Vittorio Veneto is where I was born and where I grew up. I might dare to say that I belong there, but I do not feel comfortable or at home. I feel embraced and possessed by the surrounding nature, yet at constant war with the local mindset. Fewer distractions and an almost total absence of immediate validation change the scale of ambition, not in size, but in depth.
Autonomy comes from being slightly out of sync. That delay allows me to hear my own voice more clearly.

You have always had a strong connection with the territory you come from. In this regard, I am reminded of the series Bus De La Lum (2011), which also anticipates the material sensitivity you later adopted in Melma (2023). What aspects of your fragmented land keep surfacing in your research? Are you trying to heal its past? Do you still feel the wound that history has left on it?

Bus De La Lum emerged from a direct confrontation with the land. Its caves, its silences, its buried violence. In Melma, that material sensitivity became more stratified, more geological. The territory I come from is fragmented by history, by war, by migration. I do not try to heal it. I try to listen to its fractures. The wound is still perceptible, not as trauma but as resonance. Land is never neutral. It remembers.

Your practice often seems to begin from an accumulation of inputs that converge into works capable of synthesising them through an allure that feels archaic, ancestral, as if emerging from the back of our unconscious.

At what moment does research stop being investigation and become form? Is there a precise ritual that underpins the creation of a work?

Research becomes form when it stops asking questions and starts generating necessity. There is no precise ritual, but there is repetition: walking, reading, collecting, waiting. At a certain point, accumulation reaches saturation. Then something condenses into an image, a sound, a structure, anything. The archaic dimension you mention is not aesthetic; it is temporal. I am interested in forms that feel older than explanation. The work begins when intuition becomes irreversible.

In Melma at Forte Belvedere, you intervened within a Renaissance military architecture loaded with authority. How did you negotiate the weight of that context while constructing an environment that felt like an archaic cacotopia? Having been such a pivotal show in your career, how do you look back on it now?

Melma at Forte Belvedere was a negotiation with authority, architectural, historical, and symbolic. Renaissance military space is built to dominate. I wanted to introduce something viscous, unstable, pre-cultural. Rather than opposing the architecture, I allowed it to absorb the intervention. The cacotopia emerged from contrast, like stone and mud, or control and dissolution. Looking back, I see it as a threshold. It clarified the scale at which I want to operate and the degree of risk I am willing to take.

With Pastorale (2025), you invoked a term historically associated with harmony and idyllic balance, yet your interpretation destabilised that tradition. The location itself, Sala delle Cariatidi, brought together a sense of the sublime and decadence that was also reflected in your work. What was the most interesting reaction you perceived from the beholders?

With Pastorale, I was interested in destabilising the promise of harmony that the word traditionally carries. Sala delle Cariatidi, wounded and monumental, embodies a suspended balance between splendour and ruin. The most interesting reactions were not verbal. They were pauses. When viewers slowed down, when they seemed unsure whether they were witnessing collapse or emergence. That ambiguity was essential. I do not want reassurance; I want heightened perception.

In an interview you once suggested that when art becomes fully understandable, it risks turning didactic. How would you suggest your ideal viewer to experience your work?

When art becomes entirely legible, it risks becoming instructional. I prefer opacity with openings. The ideal viewer is someone willing to remain inside uncertainty without immediately translating it. The work should be experienced physically before being interpreted intellectually. Meaning, if it comes, should arrive later, hopefully outside the exhibition space.

What urgencies are occupying your mind now, as you give life to new shows?

I would say that one of my main interests remains finding and investigating the link between opposite forces. I am thinking about how to create works that feel inevitable but not fixed. There is also an urgency connected to community. For example, how to gather people without neutralising intensity. I am interested in forms that can hold collective energy without becoming spectacle. The challenge is always the same: to remain porous to the world while resisting simplification.

The Son of Northern Darkness / Nico Vascellari

Credits:

Artist: Nico Vascellari / @nicovascellari
Editor: Maria Abramenko / @mariabramenko
Interview: Giulia Piceni / @giuliaapiceni

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