You choose to represent “classical” bodies. What does it mean for you to return to such an ideal representation?
It doesn’t feel like I’m choosing as such. In my experience any attempt to will an idea into a particular shape results in its suffocation. It’s more like I try to get out of the way and listen to what the work wants. We could spend hours talking about ideals, prejudices, classicism, 2022, the overton window, body types, modes of production, the ideas highway, the subconscious, the limbic system, beliefs, institutionalised beliefs, dynamic symmetry, sex and the human condition… We need hours! The work deserves better than for me to clumsily nail it down in an attempt to reduce all that complexity into a concise, coherent answer. Ultimately I believe the sculptures I’ve presented so far can speak for themselves, they’re the body shapes they had to be. I’ve no idea how the next sketches will come out let alone how this body of work will evolve over the coming years.
Can you expand on your representation of the human body in extreme contortion? What does it symbolise?
I think there’s something about performance and expectation, having to perform. There’s something about being bound. I was in the supermarket the other day and I was curious about the music – the pop charts. So many of the songs we vote into superiority pair cheery music and exciting melodies with lyrics about despair. We get together at parties under flashing lights to dance & sing “my loneliness is killing me”. We call this a good time. On the surface this seems entirely deranged, like a big red flag for everyone. But when we’re all taught we should be living our best lives, when we’re all armed with all the tools to present perfect, there’s a warmth, a relief in knowing that everyone’s fallen. It’s a seemingly rare moment in the mainstream belief set in which we learn we can be accepted warts and all. It reminds us that at least in the fact that we suffer, that we are not alone.. Pop the Pringles [laughter]
I noticed your collaboration with 1017 ALYX 9SM and Givenchy; what is your relationship with fashion? Is it something that you are inspired by?
Yeah of course, fashion is an evolving documentation of what we recognise as valuable, how we want to present ourselves from one season to the next. I think we can find out a lot about ourselves from this. Obviously there are totally different expectations in terms of formal output for the artist or fashion designer but a lot of the conversations about feeling, about mood, are relevant. Matthew is an extraordinary guy. He surrounds himself with inspiring, thoughtful, talented people. Alyx, Givenchy, they speak my language. It’s energising to be in conversation with these voices. Art, life, everything’s brighter when we find our people.
Can you speak about the sound piece we can find on your website? It has been presented with your sculpture, right?
I’m really happy that you ask about that, we should add a link. That work “Greg’s a fool, but you’ve got to be drunk with something (I guess I think I’m the Piano Man) 2019” led on from a performance piece in which I was exploring the idea of the crowd;