You just came back from a world tour. How are you feeling now that you are back in Berlin?
Well I had the best time I can remember having on tour so I can’t say I’m that excited to be back, haha. But I had a really inspiring time in Australia, New Zealand and Asia for three months and now I’m just trying to hold on to that and stay in this curious and motivated mindset that I got myself into in that period, and carry that forward through til the end of the Berlin winter. It felt like a much-needed breath of fresh air to spend an extended chunk of time in new places and step outside of my usual routine for a bit.
Interestingly, you mentioned the comfort zone because, to me, the life of a DJ does not have much of a routine.
Maybe not routine, no, but I’ve definitely felt I’ve been getting into a comfort zone in Berlin – I’ve lived here for 15 years and spent much of that in the same 1 kilometre radius. It felt great to be living in Taipei for two weeks and just have a completely different environment to explore and to recalibrate that sense of what day-to-day life can actually feel like, what I actually enjoy or what’s exciting.
Do you incorporate clubbing into your day-to-day beyond work?
I’m very selective about where I go out. I used to go out a lot in my 20s but that tailed off as I started touring more. I was away most weekends and when I did have time off I’d be more inclined to spend it seeing friends or relaxing than staying up all night in clubs, particularly as I eventually realised that clubs are terrible places to actually have meaningful conversations with people you care about. But these days I’m trying to make more of a point of going out a bit more, to events that look like they might be inspiring or interesting or fun. I’m just much more picky about it, especially when it comes to the general vibe of a venue or party, how comfortable the space is and so on. I’m getting too old for gratuitous, shitty parties, haha.
From post-dubstep/UK bass in Objekt #1 and Objekt #2 in 2011 your music has evolved into a more complex, electro/IDM-inspired sound. So, your sound has different genres that mix together. Your DJing style is described as both wild and laser-focused, transcending genre boundaries. Is it relevant to talk about noises that transcend musical structures, still maintaining cohesiveness? What role does genre play in your music?
I guess I’m wondering what you mean by noises in this context.
I feel today the traditional notion of rhythmically beautiful music might not be relevant anymore. Your sound is much more disrupted. What I mean by noise is the transcending of traditional melodies.
You mean traditional genre classifiers don’t really feel that relevant anymore and we’re moving towards a system in which music is described by its sonic quality rather than by genre? I think it’s definitely true to some extent, but I don’t think genres have lost their relevance entirely. I think genre will always have some degree of use because classification can be an informative way of talking about music. If you can’t classify or group similar pieces of music together or artists even loosely, I think you compromise your ability to fully articulate the musical significance or meaning of the attributes that distinguish one song or artist from another. But I don’t generally DJ by genre, as in, I don’t purposefully set out to play music of a particular genre but rather try to play DJ sets which feel musically cohesive to me. And most often that cohesion tends to come from other factors than the genre of the constituent tracks. That doesn’t mean that I don’t ever purposefully play sections of a set of a consistent genre; of course I do that sometimes, like maybe I’ll play half an hour of techno or half an hour of drum and bass. But more often, what’s more significant to me is thinking about the narrative arc of a set in terms of quantities like energy level, rhythmic propulsion, euphoria, anticipation, tension, release, aggression, softness.
So it’s very feeling-based actually.
Yeah, and it’s very much reflected in how I sort my music. On a monthly basis as I’m importing music into my library, I’m sorting pretty roughly and quickly, so I categorise my monthly additions based more on energy level than mood; I have like 4 energy playlists for varying levels of intensity. But for my broader collection, which is more thoroughly organised and which I update whenever I have time, for the last few years I’ve been doing most of my playlisting by mood. So I have 10 to 15 mood playlists that have slightly cryptic names that mean more to me than anyone else, like ‘Curious George’, ‘Coming Up For Air’, ‘Kaleidoscope Wormhole’, ‘Skeleton Dance’, or ‘Powerful Starry Abyss’. On top of that I’ll also have a handful of genre playlists, but genre sorting for me is more useful for some genres than others, like dubstep and garage. Usually in a set, genre does come into it but it’s not the driving force. I’m much more likely to dive into either a mood playlist or one of my most recent “monthly additions” playlists.